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Caught in a controversy that won’t seem to die soon, President Museveni surprised his ruling NRM MPs on Friday when he said he would only sign the Anti-Homosexuality Bill into law, if he gets scientific proof that homosexuals are made and not born.

His declaration stirred an angry response from the NRM caucus meeting at State House on that day.

Sources at inside the meeting said MPs nearly turned rowdy as they faced off with the combative Museveni, who arrived two hours late for the 10am meeting.

The source said Museveni looked tough as he arrived, which may have forced some MPs not to be too argumentative.

“He told us that his views against the law were influenced by a report by some gay rights activists whom he met recently. He said that those activists told him that gays were born just like albinos,” a source said.

But the MPs reacted by booing him. At times Museveni called the MPs to order, reminding the rowdy MPs that he was in charge.

His loyal supporters at this meeting, we are told, were Prime Minister Amama Mbabazi and Vice President Edward Ssekandi. Some doctor MPs such as Dr Medard Bitekyerezo (Mbarara municipality) and Dr Chris Baryomunsi (Kinkiizi East) told the president that his newfound assertions could not be proven scientifically.

They told him that homosexuality is a behavioural diversion from the social phenomenon which must be fought. Museveni then, the source said, referred the MPs to the three issues contained in his letter to the Speaker of Parliament Rebecca Kadaga, challenging the passing of the bill, but the MPs insisted that he should sign the bill into law.

Museveni had criticised Kadaga for passing the bill in December without a quorum. He said homosexuals were “abnormal” or were so for “mercenary reasons” and if the economy improved, they could be “rescued.”

First introduced in 2009 as a private member’s bill by Ndorwa West MP David Bahati, the bill was hurriedly passed on December 20, 2013 amid protests from Mbabazi. On Friday, both Mbabazi and Ssekandi argued against the bill, saying other laws would take care of homosexuals.

But Bahati responded by giving a situational report detailing the increasing cases of homosexuality and the need for a separate law to deal with the vice.

“The president said that he also supports the law 100% especially if it deals with people who promote, abate, recruit and support homosexuality, but was a bit hesitant to accept the law if it seeks to punish homosexuals,” our source at the meeting said.

The caucus then told Museveni that under the prevailing circumstances, he had no way of throwing out the bill after it was passed by Parliament. The MPs told him that the NRM caucus could not do much to undo what had already been passed by parliament. They urged Museveni to look for options in the Constitution.

Options

Under Article 91(3) of the Constitution, the president has 30 days to assent to this bill, or return it to Parliament with a request that the bill or a particular provision be reconsidered. He could also notify the speaker in writing that he has refused to assent to it; which, he has already done.

Parliament, under Article 91(6) may reconsider the bill and pass it again and send it to the president again. If the president rejects the law twice, the speaker can cause a copy to be laid before the House for it to be passed into law, with a two-thirds majority, without presidential assent.

The bill was passed on December 20 and today, is January 27. The speaker’s next course of action was not immediately clear. She was reportedly out of the country at the weekend. If Museveni had hoped to cow the MPs with his tough stance, this did not work. Instead, our sources said, the president appeared to soften his stand.

He later suggested that a team of scientists should be set up to study the problem (homosexuality) and present a report to the NRM caucus during its February 6-16 retreat in Kyankwanzi.

“Unless I have got confirmation from scientists that this condition is not genetic, but a behaviour that is acquired, I will not sign the bill,” Museveni reportedly said, pushing the anti-gay ball into the court of a yet-to-be-established team.

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0 #61 AcidGrin 2014-01-28 07:47
Quoting Lakwena:
Quoting Okello jones:
If the president is looking for scientiful proof then he should look no further because scientists in the UK and US have finally solved the puzzle of what makes a person gay, and how it is passed from parents to their children.


Okello jones, I don't know what type of Okello you are.

Yours is a distorted scientific lead from homosexual scientists, who thru scientific distortion want to justify the practice.

The only social scientific proof about the abnormality of homosexuality, is sexual disorientation or adaptation, which is simply perversion thru socialization.


Science is only science when I agree with it.
 
 
+2 #62 rhodsa 2014-01-28 08:55
This was a great approach by the President. I am disappointed by the medical MPs who appear to be having medical qualifications only.

What researches if at all have they carried out on the subject?
 
 
+1 #63 AcidGrin 2014-01-28 11:22
Quoting Lakwena:
M7 is a materialist who is only interested in donors money; that promotes his self-interest, and not the family and social values of Ugandans.


Family values. Also known as curb stomping your estranged son because "it's for his own good."

Quoting Lakwena:
Was God not scientific enough (an idiot) when He created us in his image: with the dual male and female characteristic.


Firstly, it's hilarious to see science being called idiotic. Secondly, science has nothing to do with God creating males and females.

Thirdly, with the ways just about everyone lives, it's ridiculous to jab at one thing that acts apart from it's default function without taking a look at all the others.

And even so, what of it? What's it to you?
What part of it harms you? And I hope I needn't remind you that your god doesn't permit his people to judge of their own accord.
 
 
-1 #64 denzil 2014-01-28 11:26
“The president said that he also supports the law 100% especially if it deals with people who PROMOTE, ABATE, RECRUIT and SUPPORT HOMOSEXUALITY, but was a bit hesitant to accept the law if it seeks to punish homosexuals,” our source at the meeting said.

Now what more scientific proof does our visionary leader want when he actually consents that this is a behavioural diversion from reality being promoted by the American sodomy champions.

My prayer is that this does not go in history as one of the NRM-O achievements. Remember this behaviour is not only targeting our little kids but your grand kids as well.
 
 
+1 #65 4ABetterUganda 2014-01-28 11:39
Quoting WaByenkya:
Some people may be born with a sexuality that is not in their physical body: that is for example a man born with feminine tendencies. When such a man tries to get a sexual partner then he should be a man looking for a woman.

Therefore it becomes technically impossible for a double coincidence of a man born feminine to find a a man who is born with traits of finding a man a man born feminine. The second "real man" would be looking for a woman unless the feminine man indices the "real man" with other incentives.

Gays are not born but some people are born abnormal much as a person may be born with a tail: I bet he is not condemned to a zoo.


I am sorry sir, but I need to understand which side you are on.

You know this is a polarized debate: like those days when people used to ask, "are you pro-east or pro-west?

If you are on the right side, we welcome you. But gays are born that way.
 
 
0 #66 Okello jones 2014-01-28 11:45
Readers continue to turn this argument on its head. Homosexuality is a sin against God. Why not let God punish those who engage in this practices?

Some folks also conclude that homosexuality is a culture originating from the West. First, homosexuality is not a culture. It is a condition which scientists found Gays or lesbians have defective Genes but studies still in its early stages.

Secondly, Uganda who have never seen the shores of any country have had homosexuals way back. They just hide and or are embarrassed to come out in the open because of hostilities towards them. It is good to separate the facts from sentiments.

Many in here argue in a very sensational way and sometimes are blinded from facts by the emotion. Truth is,Christians say homosexuality has no place. That's faith and they believe it.

However, our fathers and teachers and Christianity never advocated stoning sinners or putting them in jail. They are all to taught to pray for sinners.
 
 
+2 #67 Okello jones 2014-01-28 11:51
Quoting Emmy:
Okello Jones you are concerned about what refer as a non issue, why are you so inquisitive and hey you are so empathetic on gayism if you are not one of them.


Thank you Emmy. Your concerns shouldnt be whether i am Gay or Not. If you read all my comments you would have known the answer to your query
 
 
+1 #68 Betty Nalubega 2014-01-28 13:02
".. but i am just comparing humans and animal because we are similiar . At the end of the day main difference btn humans are animals is the ability to self reflect" Okello Jones.

Self reflection is what you have failed to do Mister ! Self reflection is what homosexual actvists have failed to do . That is why we are where we are today.

I blame them for creating a problem where there was almost none. Self reflection is when you consider the consequencies of your actions before you act. Animals never think about consequence; they live in the moment.

You Okello Jones talk like the new white supremastists that are emergining in Europe .

They claim that rape cases have increased because there are more Africans going into their nice countries. Like you , they compare and explain black people`s sexual and violent behaviour to those of chimps.

You are not looking at this issue properly.
 
 
+1 #69 Betty Nalubega 2014-01-28 14:18
4ABetterUganda , you think that I may be a fool because of what I said -my opinion that you have no problem with. That is fine with me.

Lets turn our attention to the man in the picture- Museveni.

He said this: homosexuals are sick people who need to be cured not killed. Those homosexuals that are not sick do it for money. We can rescue them with a better economy .

Lesbians are those womén who are sexually starved but cannot find men to marry them . He said that homosexuals do disgusting things President Museveni totally agrees that those who, financially or otherwise,lure our young people into homosexuality must be punished .

Tell me Sir , if Museveni is a fool too.
 
 
-3 #70 Remase 2014-01-28 15:03
I'm one of those who respect people rights, or you can call it "people power" as one of the GM of WWW used to say. In order for the homosexual to enjoy their rights, the entire system has to be changed right from birth.

The birth certificate has to have three genders; male, female and others. The rest rooms to have; men, women and others. All form need to include others as opposed to only having male or female.

Otherwise, homosexuals are discriminated right from birth. Can M7 tell me why? Because he said that they are born that way. I don't know of any country, including the US, that has a birth certificate that includes the homosexuals.

Can someone correct me if am wrong, if not, then what kind of scientific proof is M7 looking for. Let him check the birth certificates of the Ugandans hospital. Let him look around the state house. The rest rooms there only bare, men or women. M7, why? M7, you are the one who is discriminating them.
 
 
+1 #71 wodgot 2014-01-28 16:30
God has been the first scientist and HE is easily recognized in the Science of Universe and Philosophy.
 
 
+1 #72 Augustine 2014-01-28 18:05
Lakwena,Kony,Ok ello,Long and shot Caps etc.

No need to waste time debating M7's antics. This man is a double dealer and will do anything to stoop that low to the west as long as his powerbase is at threat.

He knows it too well and in the past condemned this un natural, uncouth and archaic act by the western World. He has not developed a stronger base like the Nigerians to resist the Imperialists.

Do not be surprised that if Washington dicttates that Homesexuality be taught in our schools the dictator will adopt and challenge his critics to prove scientifically that it can't be taught in our schools..

That's how bad it is and believe me he will not sign it into law no matter what me and you say.....
 
 
-1 #73 4ABetterUganda 2014-01-28 18:32
Quoting denzil:

... being promoted by the American sodomy champions.

... Remember this behaviour is not only targeting our little kids but your grand kids as well.


That stuff you are saying is from American homophobia champions. There are no American sodomy champions. If you want to hate gays, why don't you do it in your own words?

Quoting Betty Nalubega:
4ABetterUganda , you think that I may be a fool because of what I said
Tell me Sir , if Museveni is a fool too.


M7 is not a fool. Fools do not seek science. Fools run to the Bible (which is un-African), or to pre-colonial African tradition (which is full of homosexuality) to ridiculously claim that gays are un-African.

You are a fool, because you are ruled by your fears. Now you want to rule all of us by those fears. E.g. Because you fear heights (and tall buildings), all tall buildings in Kampala should be demolished. Shame on you.
 
 
0 #74 4ABetterUganda 2014-01-28 18:50
Ramase yesterday: "in order for the homosexuals to fully enjoy their rights, the whole system has to be changed, whereby when a baby is born, the birth certificate has to have three genders: male, female and others. The rest rooms need to have: Men, Women and others" You said this on Sawlani's article. We told you that you are a fool.

Ramase today: "In order for the homosexual to enjoy their rights, the entire system has to be changed right from birth. The birth certificate has to have three genders; male, female and others. The rest rooms to have; men, women and others." Same stuff, no change, no improvement.

You can hate gays, but be kind to your fellow haters. The world now thinks you all are a bunch of idiots, who cannot think, or reason.

Homosexuals know where to go, between the mens or the womens. You clearly don't. Go learn, or join the Ugandan parliament. Leave the homosexuals. They are okay.
 
 
0 #75 Akot 2014-01-28 20:03
Back in time, men who became homosexuals had "parronising-cr uel mothers-wives with degrading authority & the males had no voice-no say in families!

It's worse today because of fight for "equality" of gender; women are more independent financially-wan t to order men around; men either stay quiet or look for respect elsewhere!

Women have no excuse in being lesbians - they only wanted to be "equal to men" - what a man can do, so can a woman!
Men who had Patronising mothers stayed single for fear of being nothing in the house like their fathers!
 
 
-1 #76 Akot 2014-01-28 20:05
Modern society normalises the abnormal in those afraid of violence right at home & force all to believe homosexuality is normal instinct - it's not but "survival of males" mistreated by women!

Many children from such families are sexually abused by fathers who can't stand up to cruel wives! So many girls have been abused sexually by fathers in this sutuation-many have kids with their fathers!

We drive one another to extreme-despire -choises they would not turn to in normal relations!

Western democracy is the weakest when it's question on morality-nature -respect of one another; they instal laws that rather silence the majority who still hold on to God-nature-dece ncy, while creating more defiers-daring in a world where laws are dictated by those in need of psychological help!
Those daring nature-turning things upside down are the real law makers today!
 
 
-1 #77 Akot 2014-01-28 20:30
4ABetter Uganda,
I have lived in EU since 1987, I can tell you they are so destroyed by homosexuality!

Parents are so afraid to leave children alone in public play ground or with friends who abuse them! These so called friends post their cruel acts with their friends' children on line!
There is rise in divorces because women find they have been saring their husbands with a man all along!

Men are killing fiancées who walk out of them after finding they are maintaining double relationships (they have female fiancées & have male lovers)!

Please, also know that when Western governments can't stop immorality-abno rmal behaviours, they legalise them, thus making it lawful in order for politicians not to be held accountable for not stopping it!

Western politicians are cleaver in staying relevant in a confused society & pretend all is well according to established laws!

There are so many cases in courts on child abuse -boys/girls!
 
 
-1 #78 Akot 2014-01-28 20:40
4ABetter Uganda,
Amin killed-destroye d my family completely!
Your love for homosexuals blinds you on the plights of millions of children sexually abused by them! They even pay mother off to turn blind eyes!

Some homos get married to women with children just to have permanent acces to them!

Please, don't tell me you don't care about humanity; you defend the very people who have had problems with women & want to stay away from them by making all believe homosexuality is normal behaviour!

Uganda is becoming like Wester countries where parents are worried-afraid & don't know who is who! Child care for working parents is a nightmare in developed countries due to abuse by homosexuals! Even friends abuse friends children!

Is this the kind of world you advocate for?
Legalising homosexuality in the West was-is for convenience of politicians, not children-parent s!
 
 
0 #79 Akot 2014-01-28 20:50
haters & fools,
Countries that leganised homosexuality are in a mess on the ground, while homosexuality is destroying their societies!
When it come to child care, they are resorting to grand mothers-sisters , for they don't know who is who!

Vigillance has never been so accrue by parents & fear grows as governments consolidate position of homosexuals in society! But of course, the majority don't complain as this would be against laws that protect homosexuals while endangering millions of kids-installing fear in societies that go-live quietly in restricted family circle!

Living quietly-with fear is the norms in developed nations!
 
 
+1 #80 Akot 2014-01-28 21:11
Focus should now be on "how to protect kids from homosexuals" now that they are free to hunt, even at home & get satisfaction with governments' blessings!

While psychologically sick/baby girls rapists got to account for their cruel acts;
homosexuals raping boys are barely brought to account & it's as if these kids don't matter at all!

Homosexuals are more daring for they are free to live as normal people - so they are busy indoctrinating kids in bording schools-social center holidays-on screen in movies, with governments' blessings-protection!

How can we still believe that this abnormal sexual orientation that can never be satisfied, is normal?
There must now be special hospitals to take care of kids abused by homosexuals; we can't turn blind eyes-deaf ears to plight of thousands of families destroyed-left alone to care for shattered kids!
 
 
0 #81 David Cary Hart 2014-01-28 21:44
Uganda is being manipulated by religious extremists from my country. Contrary to the last commenter, our state of Massachusetts has permitted same-sex marriage for over ten years.

Of our 50 states it still has the lowest divorce rate in the country. Children in Massachusetts are the best educated in the US - according to test scores.

There exists a mountain of scientific evidence that sexual orientation is inborn. Faith is a good thing but it has its limits. The Bible tells us to murder insolent children.
 
 
+1 #82 4ABetterUganda 2014-01-28 21:49
Quoting Akot:
4ABetter Uganda,
I have lived in EU since 1987, I can tell you they are so destroyed by homosexuality!


Typical Amin tricks: "I live in the EU" and "the EU is so destroyed" by of all things "homosexuality".

Buffoons only lie to themselves. We know that when you run to Saudi Arabia.

Quoting Akot:
4ABetter Uganda,
Amin killed-destroyed my family completely!


Not the homosexuals? So you destroyed your own family (permanent access)?

The soldiers who kicked your a** in (1979), those were not the Tanzanians, they were the homosexuals. You forgot that?

But I guess that is why you are back: you seek revenge.

Your rants are a little too long, too many, and unclear, Mr. Former President. Try to compress them.

But I think you should have persecuted gays when you were still president. Now the world has changed. You will face a lot of problems.
 
 
-1 #83 Betty Long Cap 2014-01-28 22:45
Quoting David Cary Hart:
The Bible tells us to murder insolent children.


David Cary Hart, the Old Testament commanded the stoning of a rebellious son but the new covenant set that aside. Don't try to get away with murder even in Massachusetts.

18 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them,

19 then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city and unto the gate of his place.

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, ‘This, our son, is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, so that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
 
 
+1 #84 Neil Cameron 2014-01-29 01:14
Here's the science from the horses mouth delivered under oath in the Hawaii State legislature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8H5hJz52E
 
 
0 #85 kelem 2014-01-29 01:44
Talk of sleeping with the devil "He told us that his views against the law were influenced by a report by some gay rights activists whom he met recently. "
 
 
0 #86 obwangor john 2014-01-29 07:22
Any thing that will require to be taught is not scientific but learned. I have never heard of any adults going to school to promote man to woman sex.

This is because it occurs naturally but these gays pour in a lot of money to promoters who specifically target ignorant children just like Kony used to abduct young children.

So what is the connection between being a natural behavior and the promotions going on in schools.
 
 
0 #87 Lakwena 2014-01-29 08:44
Quoting obwangor john:
Any thing that will require to be taught is not scientific but learned. I have never heard of any adults going to school to promote man to woman sex.

This is because it occurs naturally but these gays pour in a lot of money to promoters who specifically target ignorant children just like Kony used to abduct young children.

So what is the connection between being a natural behavior and the promotions going on in schools.


obwangor john, I love this debate. It has got so many ticked off and exposed. Homosexuality is self-destructio n (on suicide trip).

Disgusting sick people, e.g. the male gay destroy their behind and say it their consenting stupid human right.
 
 
0 #88 Lakwena 2014-01-29 08:45
The homo activists are a group of people who hate themselves and want to go down with everybody. The homos are disease machines (spread deadly and incurable diseases).

In other words they are agents for pharmaceutical industries, which is why they have a lot money to throw around.

The more sick people the better; the more drugs and adult pampers sold. The more butt holes the more money, because every converted butt hole looks like the dollar bill.
 

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